March 26, 2026
Newberry Springs Route 66 Centennial: Historic Preservation and Geocaching Adventures
Welcome to the Outdoor Adventure Series! In today’s episode, we're joined by local community leader, Brian Fisher—affectionately known as Mr. Geocache—to explore the hidden stories and adventures of Newberry Springs, California. Tune in as Brian recounts his journey to this quiet desert community, describing its tranquil charm and the unique history that surrounds it. Discover how Brian, a retired Marine base worker turned passionate historian, is now at the forefront of efforts to preserve ...
Welcome to the Outdoor Adventure Series! In today’s episode, we're joined by local community leader, Brian Fisher—affectionately known as Mr. Geocache—to explore the hidden stories and adventures of Newberry Springs, California.
Tune in as Brian recounts his journey to this quiet desert community, describing its tranquil charm and the unique history that surrounds it. Discover how Brian, a retired Marine base worker turned passionate historian, is now at the forefront of efforts to preserve the fascinating past of Newberry Springs—including the tale of the cantankerous Mrs. Orcutt and her historic ranch.
We also unravel the adventure and intrigue of geocaching—an international outdoor activity that has brought visitors from all over the world to explore Newberry Springs. Brian shares how geocaching, including his own cleverly designed gadget caches, is putting this desert town on the map for explorers and tourists alike.
This episode offers a mix of history, personal stories, and outdoor excitement. Whether you love tracking down hidden treasures or simply want to learn more about this unique corner of California, don’t miss today’s journey into geocaching and grassroots preservation!
DISCUSSION
00:00 "Retiring to Newberry Springs"
06:06 Mrs. Orcutt's Unique New Life
09:22 Highway Development Landlock Issues
12:01 "Highway Boosted Her Visitability"
14:22 "Camping Misadventure with a 1978 Dodge Polara."
22:10 "History & Geocaching Chat"
LEARN MORE
To learn more about NSEDA, visit their website at https://www.nseda.net/.
To learn about Newberry Springs, CA, the Route 66 Big Birthday Bash, the Pistachio Festival, and much more, visit the Newberry Springs Chamber of Commerce at https://newberryspringschamber.com/ or on these social sites:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NewberrySpringsChamber
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nbsp_chamberofcommerce/
Car & Driver: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15385694/mrs-orcutts-driveway-204-mph-on-a-double-nickel-road-page-1
Geocaching: https://www.geocaching.com/. To get started, create a free geocaching account and download the official Geocaching® app or use a GPS device.
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KEYWORDS
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Hello everybody and good morning from Newberry Springs, California.
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It's a beautiful Saturday morning and I literally am inside of a house uh long time abandoned.
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Uh it needs a little work.
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Uh it's a fixer upward, no doubt about that.
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But inside the house with me, I have a number of good friends that uh I have met uh the past couple days.
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But uh I have a new friend I'm gonna be chatting with today.
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His name is Brian Fisher, and he is affectionately known, I don't know if it's an official title, uh, of but he's known as Mr.
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Geocache.
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And he is also affiliated with the uh historical group here in Newberry Springs.
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And we're excited today to uh learn not only about his history here in Newberry Springs, but also uh the work he's doing with the Historical Society, and also I'm gonna learn something new today.
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I'm because I I've heard the word geocache before, but I really am very uh light in the knowledge side, so I'm gonna learn a little bit about it.
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But also first, Brian, uh again, welcome to the Outdoor Adventure Series, and I would love to learn a little bit about you and your history here in uh Newberry Springs.
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Uh I I came down to Newberry Springs as a result of a base closures in the late 1900 1990s and came down here, I believe, in either 96 or 98.
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And because of base closure up in Maryland area, uh transferred down here to the Marine Base where I worked for the rest of my career there and uh then retired to Newberry Springs.
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But when I first came down here, I was looking for a place to live.
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And uh Realtor gave me a whole bunch of listings, go look.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so I did, and I came out here and I was struck by the peace, the quiet, just the general tranquility of the area, the views and everything, and uh found a piece of property that w I liked, a house on it that was adequate and fine, and uh purchased that, and then my wife came down about eighteen months later.
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So that was how I was introduced to here.
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Okay.
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Originally our idea was to live down here until I retired, until she retired as well, and then moved back to Napa, which is where we were from.
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And um Did you drink wine?
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Occasionally.
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Occasionally, I think I thought that was a rule, but okay.
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No, I actually actually uh I I grew up in a in a house of teetotlers, so okay, gotcha.
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Gotcha.
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But uh I was born and raised in and lived in Napa most all my life.
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And uh so we were gonna move back to Napa, but by the time we got to retirement, we didn't wish to do so.
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Okay.
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So we stayed down here because of the peace, the quiet.
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I'm on a 20-acre parcel, so I can do basically anything.
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Anything you want.
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I love it.
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And uh up in Napa, I'd be living in a subdivision, you know, an 80 by 100 foot lot.
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Okay.
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So I I'm curious though, okay.
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You're on a 20-acre lot, you can do anything you want.
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Is there something you'd like to share with our listeners about what you get to do on that lot and nobody else gets to know?
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Um you gotta keep it G-rated, though.
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Yeah, I gotta keep it G-rated, but no, I uh well we put a second house on the property.
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Okay, and our son lives in the original home, okay, you know, with his family, and then we put a second house because he w he came down here and actually went to work at the Marine Base as well.
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But then uh he wanted a place to live, of course, with his family, and so we were gonna put a s mobile home on the property, and then found out that that's really legally difficult.
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Okay.
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And that's good to know because I'm always looking for my next place to live.
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So well, the problem was you can put a mobile home if you get the permission and it meets current specifications.
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So if you go out and buy a reasonably priced used mobile home, you have to rewire it, you have to re-plumb it.
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Gotcha.
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So you don't buy it, it was cheaper to buy a house.
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Okay.
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Move a house onto the property.
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So that's what we did.
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Now we figured out if we're gonna have a new house and an old house, we're gonna live in the new one.
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There you go.
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That's a smart move.
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Smart move.
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Uh in addition, uh, I've got a very large 40 by 40 foot uh barn garage.
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Okay, very good, and a uh standard two-car garage as well on the property.
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Very nice.
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Okay, now in retirement, um tell us how you're staying busy because this is a beautiful area.
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The there's a lot of history here, a lot of history, and we want more folks to know about it.
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And I know you're actively involved as we it shared in the intro, but tell us a little bit about how you're keeping active here, uh, not only for yourself and your interest, but also in helping to promote uh Newberry Springs.
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Well, I'm a member of the Newberry Springs Economic Development Association or in SEDA.
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And a few months ago, uh Carla actually brought up having a committee to research and to discover uh to record and preserve the history of Newberry Springs, because unfortunately, there's a lot of history that's been recorded about the Barstow, Yermo, Daggett, uh, and Ludlow, but Newberry Springs basically is on the way to Ledlow.
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Right, is what they say.
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But there is a lot of history going back into like the 1840s here in Newberry, and it is just all scattered, it's nothing together.
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So we formed this committee, and I raised my hand and became the chairman of it.
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You gotta watch that hand raising.
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It was a pause, and then I had to go home and explain it to the wife what I'd done.
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But as part of that, this is uh Mrs.
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Orcott's residence, right, her ranch.
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And who was Mrs.
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Orcott?
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Because I was gonna ask that was gonna be my next phase in, is like we are standing in a little bit of history right now.
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Yeah, well, Mrs.
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Orcott was a uh widow who uh moved out from, I believe, either Illinois or Indiana, so far as I can determine at this point, and moved down into the Los Angeles area, uh, opened a little business called the uh Littless Lumber Yard, which I think was more of a tax write-off than a business from researching done on it, and uh obtained property down the hill, and she decided that she wanted to live out someplace other than down there after her husband died.
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So she came up here, she just settled on this piece of property here, which is about 102 acres in three parcels, and she decided that she wanted to live here.
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She was a kind of a unique person, uh a little cantankerous, very self-minded as far as what she wanted, and that was the way.
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You're being very polite there, as you described.
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Well, maybe he's not here to defend herself.
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Okay.
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And uh she uh s settled here, she built this house, she developed the property.
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This was a certified wildlife reserve out here.
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Oh wow.
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And uh which gave her all kinds of advantages, the title and everything else.
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The lakes helped that she has here on had here on the property.
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And then in uh the nine well, let's see, she closed escrow on this property in February of nineteen sixty-two.
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Okay.
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And that year rings a bell, but we're not gonna talk about that.
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She uh was a widow refuge.
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Oh, in uh 1964 the interstate was put in here, I-40.
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Ah now her property stretched from here to Route 66.
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Oh.
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In three parcels.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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And this was, I think, medium-sized parcel, and then the rest of the area over here was the largest parcel, I believe.
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And the other parcel was on the uh stretched from some point on this side of the highway to Route 66.
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Her access to the property, of course, then was straight out to Route 66, and I believe the road's down that way down to the west of us here partially.
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I've seen it on maps and aerial things, but I have not actually physically located it.
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I've looked for it.
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Okay.
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And uh in uh I know somebody in somebody's home, we saw a drone, so we need some drone flyers out here to that'll that'll help you uh find that road, I think.
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I think so, yeah.
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Wife and I were out looking for it a couple days ago, and and we think we found it.
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Okay.
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But we're we're not sure.
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Okay.
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So sh so she was impacted by Route 66, and this road we drove up on, as I understand, was an accommodation on the behalf of the uh the government to sorry about that, but here we'll give you a road.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Well, in uh 1964, when the highway was being developed here and everything, because there's notations about some interreaction with the surveyors surveying the interstate and her.
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And what they did, of course, is when they put the intersection in here, they landlocked it.
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Right.
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Because the road that we came in on memorial did not exist at that point.
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So she developed a writing campaign, and the only one I've come across so far was a letter to the county, San Bernardino County, about the fact that this property uh that this property was being isolated.
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Right.
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And they basically told her it's not our problem.
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The other letter is is that when she got her property taxes, she she didn't like paying taxes.
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Imagine that.
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Yeah, imagine that.
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But when her property taxes came in on the parcel that the interstate sits on, she was billed for those.
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Uh I can imagine that would set somebody off.
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Yeah, so that that developed a series of letters to and from the assessor's office who said, Oh, yeah, right, yeah, no, and they adjusted her property taxes by excluding that parcel to the uh south of us here.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So in addition to this this property, and what is unique about this property and how are I now you've got some activity going on here as well right now.
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Yes, I do.
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Two things is that thanks to Mr.
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Deal, we have a large amount of correspondence from Okay.
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And Mrs.
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Paulson, Vicky Paulson, has organized us into six boxes.
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Okay.
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And I'm going through these boxes one letter at a time and taking a lot of time.
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But you're all retired now.
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I well I know.
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You know, retirement I think you get busier upon retirement.
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I think so.
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I just don't know how I had time to work.
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Anyway, uh her all her letters, uh, some bills for various organizations, tax returns, uh birthday cards, all kinds of things like this.
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Not a lot of pictures.
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I got one picture with two ladies in it, one of them I think is her, but I don't know.
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Anyway, about her property here.
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This is what's what she called her ranch.
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And there are a lot of letters from people who promised to visit her at her ranch.
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That's right.
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Come out and visit her.
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Now, when the highway department, uh when the US government, after much pressure from her, uh created the driveway coming in here, the four miles paved, high paved road, she that was a very boost to her, actually.
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Right.
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Because before that she had a dirt road that ran between here and Route 66.
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Right.
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Rained hard, guess what?
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You're not going anywhere.
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You're not going anywhere.
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And there's numerous letters about, G, we were gonna come and visit you.
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Well, don't bother because you can't get here.
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Right.
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Type thing.
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I mean, I don't know exactly how much she was locked in here.
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I get the impression that she was from going through all this paperwork and everything.
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Okay.
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So you're really going through a lot of you and your peers in this historical society are uh going through the uh materials and really trying to make sense of what happened and when, and essentially tracing the history on her behalf.
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And that sounds like I mean, uh it's tedious work, it's exacting work, but it's also fun.
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It's fun.
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Yeah, I've always had a hiss uh an interest in history, and this is in a way, yeah, it's enjoyable and everything.
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Okay.
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And usually when I get it, when I wake up at three, four o'clock in the morning, okay.
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I spend about an hour or so just going through her paperwork because it's quiet and peaceful, there's nothing going on.
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And you're not uh surfing the internet on Facebook and YouTube videos, gotcha.
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Yeah, gotcha.
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So let if we could, let's talk a little bit about your geocaching.
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You know you are after all, you are Mr.
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Unless there's something very special you want to uh end with uh uh regarding the the the the woman whose property this was.
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Well, we can move on to geocaching.
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Actually, my geocaching name is Captain Nemo.
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Captain Nemo.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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And uh how I came about that name is well, I'll tell you what the heck.
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We used to go down to Pismo Beach every Christmas, Christmas to New Year's, and when you go to Pismo Beach to camp on the beach, you have to cross a river.
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Right.
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Now the river sometimes is a trickle and sometimes it's torrent.
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And at the time I was driving a 1978 Dodge Polar.
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Okay.
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Okay, not not an off-road car by any stretch of the imagination.
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And uh we came up to the gate, we had reservations, and they asked me, Well, you know, what are you here for, basically?
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And we said, Well, we're here to camp.
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We have reservations and all that, and she says, and she says, You're not gonna make it.
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Well, what she didn't know is we had our group, our half of our group was already on the beach, okay, including people with four big four drives.
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Right.
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And so I says, Well, I'll give it a try.
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And she figures, okay, I'm gonna have to rescue some people, and three of us in the car.
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A friend of us was sitting in the back seat, get to in a minute.
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Anyway, we got up to the river, and the river was really running.
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Okay.
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And so I think I know where this is going.
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Yeah.
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So we called ahead, got our friend with a four-wheel drive, come back out, hooked us up, and when he pulled us into the river, the whole front end of the car went underwater.
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Okay.
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And if you ever remember the movie Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, yes, and they show the submarine, you see the lights underneath the water.
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Well, that's what it looked like.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Our friend that was in the back seat was now on the shelf behind us, the back, because she figured we were all gonna drown.
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Oh boy.
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Well, he got us through the river.
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I've been off-roading with him many times, so I wasn't really sure.
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But that's where the name came from.
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Okay.
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Anyway, geocaching started back in uh May of 2000.
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Okay.
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On the second of May, the government turned off what was called selective availability, which meant that the geoca uh the GPS signals from the satellites were increased accurate to your location uh in a multiple multiple more sensitive manner.
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The next day a gentleman by the name of Dave Omer uh went out and hid a five-gallon bucket with some items in it, right, put it on the on the uh on the internet for people to go out and find.
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And went that way for a couple of years, and then in 2002, uh a group got together and formed a company, Ground Speed.
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Okay.
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And what they what geocaching is, is that participants, geocachers, right, go out and they hide containers.
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Okay.
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Now the containers can be as small as a little pill bottle.
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They can be as the most common size is like a prescription pill bottle.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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And they can go large.
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Largest one I found was a railroad car.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Somebody had a railroad car.
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You had to really want to do that one.
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Yeah.
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And uh they hide these, or they he didn't hide it, obviously.
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Right.
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But uh he uh anyway, you you post on the on the on the website geocaching.com the location, the coordinates, latitude and longitude for the uh geocache.
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Then other people, geocachers, go on the internet, spot that, and then go out and find it.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Sometimes they're very easy to find, sometimes they're extremely difficult to find.
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Here in Newberry Springs, without giving any secrets away, about how many geocaches are in the community?
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Well, within a 10 mile radius of my house, which is about four mile, five miles west of here, there are about a thousand.
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A thousand, okay.
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Worldwide, there's over three million.
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