Wisconsin’s Ice Age Trail: Expert Hiking & Alliance Insights

SPEAKER_01 0:01

Hello everyone and welcome back for another episode of the Outdoor Adventure Series. Today's episode is sponsored by Destination Madison, host of the 2026 Outdoor Writers of Association of America's annual conference. During today's episode, we hope to share with you why Madison, Wisconsin, and the surrounding communities in Dane County are the perfect destination for family vacations, couples getaways, outdoor adventures, meetings, conferences, and conventions. Our guest today is Melissa Pearrin. She is the Director of Marketing and Community Relations for the Ice Age Trail Alliance. Melissa, it's a pleasure to have you on the podcast and welcome.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

Hi, Howard. Thank you. I'm excited to be here. Hey, a fun fact about Madison. It is the only state capital to have National Scenic Trail running through it.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

The only? Well, that's pretty darn special.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

And so how I want to talk about the the trail, obviously, but I'd love to just get a little bit of background about yourself. Have you grown up in the Madison area, Wisconsin? And has this trail been a part of your life?

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Yeah, so I've spent most of my life in Wisconsin, surely all of my adult life here, and actually have lived in Wisconsin back when it was designated a National Scenic Trail, but I never really discovered the trail until about 2019. In my previous job, I would drive to work every day and cast these big brown DOT signs that said Ice Age, National Scenic Trail. Every day, twice a day, never put it together like what it was. And then in December of 2019, I decided that I needed to finally embrace winter. I despite living here my whole life, I do not like the cold. But I decided, okay, this is going to be the year I'm going to enjoy winter. And I had a book that was sitting on my bookshelf called 60 Hipes Within 60 Miles of Madison.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Oh, sweet.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

And took it off and went on my first hike, went on my second hike, went on my third hike, which was only about 15 minutes from my house, and had this lovely, lovely three mile. I did an out and back, so six miles, but just a little three-mile hike. Went through this little bit of pine forest, saw these beautiful winter marsh views, walked on a little bit of boardwalk, got done with the hike, and I thought, my gosh, this was just so beautiful. And along the way, I had seen like Ice Age Trail. Got back in my car, got my phone out, Googled Ice Age Trail, and all of a sudden discovered that it's 1200 miles long and it spans the entire state of Wisconsin. I'm like, are you kidding? This is amazing. And so I quickly put that 60 miles or 60 hikes within 60 miles book away and started hiking all of the segments I could near my house and discovered so many gems, like literally, that I had no idea were there. I then one night I was planning where I was gonna hike the next day, and I knew I had this segment of trail that was over here, and I had this other segment of trail, which I wasn't knew was there. And I thought, well, how do those connect? Like, where does the trail run? I still, you know, didn't quite understand the full path of it. So I had the electronic map out, and I'm, you know, going in on the map, and all of a sudden I discover there was a bike trail behind my house. So my the house I lived in, the lot backed up to a street, and then on the other side of the street, there was this bike trail. I've been on this bike trail thousands of times, biking, walking my dogs, taking my kids for a walk. It was the ISH trail, and I did not know it because I thought of it as the bike trail. So that very next morning I went out to that trail, and for the first time, despite the thousands of times I'd been on that trail, I saw the yellow blaze, which is the mark of the trail. And so it was like, I cannot believe I've lived here for 16 years and never knew this trail was there. So that and then from there on out, it's just I've just I've I'm now about 700 miles of the trail, I think I've eclipsed, or no, 600 and some miles, 671 miles of the trail. And I just love it, and I am so thankful for it. Trail has taken me to places again that I passed by on the interstate, signs to Milton, signs to Janesville. I never stopped in Milton. Why should I stop in Milton? And because of the trail, I have discovered Milton and how great Milton is. You just the trail takes you to so many great places, which it basically took me a lifetime to discover.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

So I I love that and it just by chance at aha moment, and right this I really love it that the trail is like literally right behind your house.

SPEAKER_00 5:14

So many times in my for initial discovery of hiking the trail. I mean, these places were all within half hour of my house. I'm like, I can't believe I didn't know this was here. Trail run by a babysitter that I had for my kids for a while, right down the street from her. I can't believe I didn't know this is here. Yeah, so it's great.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

Very good. Now you mentioned you're on somewhere between six and seven hundred miles, and you also mentioned that it is a 1200 mile trail and when connect all the dots in the along the way. I would imagine that is the thousand is something special once you get to that that pinnacle, or definitely once you complete it.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

Right, right. From what I've been told, so we have in the Ice Age Trail, we have a strong community of hikers. And as opposed to some trails like Appalachian Trail or the CDT or the PCT, which they have a super strong through hiking culture, we get maybe 30 to 40 through hikers a year. Majority of our hikers are these day hikers, but our day hikers really get obsessed with the trail and they want to finish the whole trail. And so when you finish the trail and you're called a thousand miler. And from what I've witnessed of my friends who have become thousand milers, well, depending on how long it takes you, but yeah, pretty much once you're kind of over that 900-mile mark, that thousand-mile mark, then it becomes an all-out sprint to the end because you're nearly there. But I am on my, well, what year is this seventh year of working on my thousand miler journey? Once I started working for the Ice Age Trail Alliance, the number of miles that I get on the trail have plummeted. By I hike the trail, I just tend to hike the same segment that I've already done, or I'm at an event, so I'm near a segment, or I've, you know, hiked a portion of a segment, not an entire segment. Anyway, I totally lost my train of thought.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

It's okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

Yeah. Yeah. So once you you get close, it's it's you just you want to be done. But now we're finding people who finish start again, and they want to see the segments in different season or different conditions.

SPEAKER_01 7:32

So well, that was actually gonna bring back a question for me. You live in the Midwest. I mean, I I lived in I grew up in Michigan, Southeast Michigan. I lived in Chicago. We live for the summer, winters can be brutal, summers can be brutal in certain ways. Would you say that this trail is an all-season trail?

SPEAKER_00 7:55

It absolutely is an all-season trail. And I think probably the least popular season to hike is actually in summer. Fall is by far the best season. Weather is great, the bugs are gone. Winter also is really pretty decent. Winter is pretty fascinating because you really get to see the terrain and you get to see the glacial features of the trail become much more prominent in the off-leaf and when there's a coating of snow. Spring is lovely, summer, it's just it's hot and you get bugs, right? Beginning of summer is bad for ticks. By August, they taper off, so it's not as bad. But I'd have hiked in all all seasons, and I'm in some pretty bitter colds. I've decided that I will not hike when it's going to be below zero anymore because I've done that a couple of times, and and it was not fun. So, but if it's 10, I'm fine, I can go hike, work up a sweat in a 10 degree day.

SPEAKER_01 8:59

Okay. Get stay in shape and all your round?

SPEAKER_00 9:05

That's right. You can also do that in a 95-degree humid day.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

Okay. Now, as a as a trail, and you also mentioned some of the communities that you had passed through and finally stopped in. And then do you find that the communities that are along the trail have some type of programming? Or I I did a podcast episode not long ago where along this trail there were pubs, and you go get a beer. Okay. So after you're done, you knew there was a great little restaurant, cafe, bar, grab something to drink. Do you find that the communities support the trail and it really encourage people? Hey, come walk this segment of the trail. And by the way, here's a great restaurant, some shops. Go grab an ice cream now that you can, now that you're off the trail, get some get some sugar back in your system.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

Yeah, yeah. There are definitely communities. So, first the Ice Age Trail. So, yeah, it runs 1200 miles through the state of Wisconsin. We start in or at the Minnesota border at a state park, interstate state park. The trail runs as far south as Janesville, which is almost on the Illinois border, and then it goes back up to Sturgeon Bay. And so the trail runs through or near something like 130 communities, I think. And of those 130 communities, and we're talking, I mean, a lot of these communities have no stop lights, but it's Wisconsin, so there's usually a bar. But 30 of the communities or 29 communities have become official Ice Age Trail communities.

SPEAKER_02 10:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:49

And this is a partnership agreement between the Ice Age Trail Alliance and then the community where we kind of cross-promote each other. And we do those communities are really hiker destinations, places that you go look. If you're going to be staying overnight, you don't want to camp. You go look for that mom and pop hotel in um Merrill. Or you go and get the coffee that's in Hatley, Wisconsin. And it completely depends because every community is different, the sizes of the community, the capabilities of the community. So we have some communities where the trail is definitely a promotion, what's promoted, and the people in the in the village and the towns really know the trail. They welcome hikers with open arms. They know what the hikers are doing. And that's some of the other ones, you know, are really, really tiny. Maybe they only do have that bar and a library, and they do what they can to be welcoming to hikers. I feel like in the past five years or so, overall awareness of the trail has increased in the state. And so I think we're getting less and less people looking at hikers like, well, what are you doing? But but there's still definitely awareness building to be done. And but with more and more hikers getting out there, we encourage our hikers to, you know, when you are in a community, make sure you tell, you know, the bar owner, the pizza place that, hey, I'm here hiking the ice age trail. So they start making that connection because excellent, you know, okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:29

I know. I just like I want to get the water and take a rest, but uh right, right.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

But we did have some through hikers come through a few years ago and they dubbed this the pub crawl through hike because they were able to stop every single day and have at least one beer on the trip.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

So I I love I see I love that. I love that. Yeah. Is the trails almost solely for hiking, or are there other kinds of activities like mountain biking or fat tire biking available? I mean, that you could do if I didn't want to hike.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

Yeah, so it is a designated footpath. So so whether you want to snowshoe, ski, run, a backpack, walk, it's a designated footpath. However, there are places where the trail overlays, like through the city of Janesville, it overlays their municipal path, which is a paved trail. So you could bike that trail. And there are also other places where we are on top of a rail to trail, so a bike trail. And so you can bike those. But if you want to become a thousand miler, so achieve the thousand miler status and and say you completed the entire trail, you have to do that by foot.

SPEAKER_02 13:45

But gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

But yes, there's certainly areas where biking is allowed, but we are designated. Okay. And also when people always ask, well, I don't want to do an out and back. How can I finish the segment? How can I do 11 miles without doing an out and back? And it's like, well, you could take a bike, plant it at one end, hike, go back to the hike, and then bike back to your car. So there's all kinds of ways to to incorporate biking if you wanted to.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Okay. Now, I I was looking at the map, and by the way, I would love to go to the website and you can kind of take us on a little tour of it. And sure, I know that you have the interactive map there as well. Yeah. But I am curious before we do that, you you talked about the the 1200 miles. That's quite the distance from the north part of the state. You're you know, you're you can go close to the Illinois border, you're up to Door County. Where are hikers coming from? I mean, if they're not specifically from the state of Wisconsin, where are you finding they're coming in from top of the?

SPEAKER_00 14:51

I mean, hikers come from all over. Last year we had a Japanese hiker on that threw hiked the trail. We had another guy from the Netherlands. And what seems to be happening is people hiked the big three. So they'll hike the Appalachian Trail, the Pacific Crest, the Continental Divide. Then they start looking at all the others because there's this really big desire to hike all 11 scenic trails. And so we're kind of in that next tier after the big three. And like the through hikers that dubbed it the pub crawl through hike, they use this as their cool down after the CDT. So, you know, people come from all around. We get, you know, a lot of the hikers are from Wisconsin. As I said, we're a big day day hiking day hikers. We get a lot of people from Illinois as well, especially that northern Illinois, so Chicago on up. People come from Minnesota. I mean, just all around. And now we became an official unit of the National Park Service uh a few years ago. So we've been a national scenic trail since 1980. But then there was like an administrative glitch basically, which didn't include us as an official unit of the Park Service. So we were still part of the Park Service, but not a unit. So anyway, it got resolved a few years ago. And since that, we have this influx of people that come into our office wanting those National Park Service stamps for their books, and so they'll go and hike. And so people come from all over. We had people from North Carolina the other day, Tennessee, like just you never know what the day is going to bring.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

Okay, okay. And I'm curious too, the with the Ice Age Trail, when did it actually obtain its national designation?

SPEAKER_00 16:37

Yeah, so it became an official National Scenic Trail in October of 1980. So even though the trail dates back to the late 50s, the beginnings of the trail started in the Milwaukee area. There, we had a conservationist kind of one of the fathers of the trail who really envisioned he he knew uh the glacial significance of the state, and he felt really strongly that there should be a national park that highlighted the glacial history. And he lobbied for a national park, like a thousand mile or a hundred-mile long national park. I think it was a thousand mile long national park. And he got some people starting to think about it, and then you know, he ended up passing away because the effort kind of died out for a little bit. But then there was renewed interest. Park Service said no, we don't want to do a thousand mile national park, that would be crazy. But instead they established nine scientific reserve units, which scientific reserve units are places of glacial importance, something glacial. You could see the impact of the glacier, these nine specific sites. And if you look, seven of the nine sites are on the trail. So then things just progress, and eventually there was the first through hiker kind of went and proved out that yeah, this could be a route. And so that was in the 70s, and so then it in 1980, Congressman put a bill through to get the trail designated as a national senior trail.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Excellent. And when did the alliance take shape as a nonprofit?

SPEAKER_00 18:27

Yeah, so the alliance actually dates back to the the late 1950s. That was our you know predecessor organization. And so we are the official nonprofit that cares for the trail that create the maintains the trail, along with the National Park Service and the Wisconsin DNR. So the three entities together work together to create and maintain this trail of ours. And it is the volunteers that the Ice H Trail Alliance coordinates that really are the boots on the ground that do the work of creating and maintaining the trail.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

And approximately, how many volunteers are coming into and out of the organization, say annually, just to support the cause?

SPEAKER_00 19:12

Yeah. So we get around 2,000 volunteers a year. But what's most incredible is the number of hours that those volunteers devote to trail-related activities. So in the last fiscal year, it was more than 114,000 hours were devoted by these about 2,000 people to trail-related activities, which ranks us usually at the top of the National Park Service for volunteerism in hours, which is pretty incredible. You think about Yellowstone, you think about glaciers, all these giant parks, and there's the Ice Age Trail.

SPEAKER_01 19:45

Very good. Now, in addition to say admin work and answering phones and sending out letters and maps and et cetera, what are the range of volunteer activities that are taking place along the trail in a given season?

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Yeah. So I think all those volunteer activities that you just mentioned are really things that staff members do with the Alliance. Right. Um our volunteers, so we have the the Alliance is is made up of 19 volunteer chapters across the trail. So they usually each each chapter usually takes care of one or two, or well, sometimes there's more, but the county's worth of trail. So they they're the ones that maintain the trail. So if a storm comes along and a bunch of trees get knocked over, they go out there and saw the trees. Um, they also mow in the areas where there's grassy paths, they mow those paths. We have trail building that happens. So the Ice Age Trail Alliance organizes large-scale trail building events, which are usually about five-day events that happen through the trail building season. So May through October, we draw hundreds of volunteers for those five days, and we can knock out a couple miles of trail, put some boardwalks in, make some stairstone staircases. So really cool trail building activities. And then along with those events comes the food side, right? So we have whole kitchen staff that that feeds these volunteers. So many ways to get involved at trail building. But then we do have the outreach volunteers. So we have volunteers that are at an event today, right now in Milwaukee, um, presenting about all the volunteer opportunities with the Ice Age Trail. We have hike leaders. One of the cornerstone programs for the Alliance is our Think Outside and our Saunters programs. Think Outside is geared toward fourth graders, and we provide a curriculum-based presentation about the state's glacial history. And then they get to come and take a hike on the trail, a two or three mile hike. And we have a dedicated group of about 50 volunteers who want to and like to hike with nine and 10 year olds. So there's just an Endless variety really of opportunities. We have a mascot, Monty the mascot. He always needs somebody to be in, you know, in him. So we have one volunteer who goes to all kinds of kids' events and dresses up as Monty the Mammoth. We also have an arm of our organization that is focused on habitat restoration. So we like to say, you know, we're putting Scenic back in Scenic Trail. Because nothing worse than walking a crappy portion of trail. Wouldn't it be nice to instead walk amongst a beautiful prairie of native flowers? And so we have a whole lot of volunteers who are very passionate about cutting back invasive species and collecting seeds. So, you know, it's like the more gentle side of the trail, which I think is great because again, I am not a big trail builder. I don't like swinging uh pygmatic or carrying duff buckets, but I will go and lap invasive species and I will collect seeds for hours. So it's just it's really great. The alliance offers so many opportunities to get involved in a way that you want to.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Very nice. Well, I would love right now if we could take a quick tour of the website, and if you're open for that. So yeah, excellent. So with the hopefully technology works today.

SPEAKER_00 23:29

Right.

SPEAKER_01 23:31

So if everything worked right, you should be seeing the page, your website. Excellent. And there's I love the logo by the way, and there's Monty. Yeah, thanks. Yep. I love the colors. Love the colors.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

I was just gonna mention we have license plates. If you live in the state of Wisconsin, you can get an Ice H trail license plate.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

I love it. I love it. It's pretty fun. Yeah, you know, it's funny. I always share when I'm interviewing destinations like Madison or parts I live in here in Nevada, I'm always looking for my next place to live. And once even though I was I lived in Chicago for many years, I I definitely could could picture myself living in Wisconsin, taking advantage of this wonderful trail that goes throughout the state. So take us on a little tour here. Where should we, where should we go?

SPEAKER_00 24:21

Yeah, so I think if you click on that trail map, and that's probably the the most clicked link on our website, and for good reason. This takes you to our we call it our Haker resource map. So hopefully it'll load here.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Yeah, it could be my internet connection, but I think we're getting there slowly. Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

So this is always the most up-to-date map that you will find for the Ice Age Trail. You know, the Ice Age Trail Alliance does create an atlas and a guidebook every few years. Of course, those get outdated every year as we build new trail. We also have an the far out app has the Ice Age Trail maps, and those are updated pretty frequently, but there's still some time that lags between far out updates. But this update is or this map is updated by our GIS staffer. And as soon as a project is done, if the project closes on Sunday, this map will reflect the new trail by Wednesday, usually. Um so you can drill down into this and really just explore the trail. So if you go those little the TC icons that indicates a trail community.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

Okay. Oh, okay. By the way, I was looking at this yesterday. What is the significance of the more solid lines versus the dots?

SPEAKER_00 25:50

Yeah. So the Ice H trail is a trail in progress. It is when complete, it'll be about 1200 miles. Right now we have 711.4 miles that are blazed up the trail. So blazed just means their official trail. Again, because our trail goes through communities, we do have a lot of urban trail. So we don't like to use the term off-road when we talk about our trail, but so we'll just say blazed completed trail. So the solid lines are the blazed completed trail, and then the dotted lines represent the connecting routes between the blazed completed segments. Okay. And the connecting routes that are suggested are not always the shortest distance between two segments, but they are either more scenic or safer to hike along. So back roads, old country highways, that kind of thing. There are shorter distances, but you'll probably be walking, you know, next to semis, which is not great most of the time.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

You don't want that. All right.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

Yeah. So and then in the center, since we're looking at it.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

I was gonna say, I think I might have actually been on your trail because I have spent a little bit of time up in Door County. So yeah, I mean, perhaps.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

Right, probably if you were on any of the there's a bike trail that's up there, so you never know.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

Sure. And I interrupted you, but you were gonna say something else.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

No, I was just gonna point out that circle in the middle of the trail there. Some people call it a done. We call it the bifurcation. Okay, so that actually is a political compromise of sorts. The east side of that circle is more culturally significant. So the eastern side goes near Aldo Leopold's stopping grounds and his shack and John Muir's boyhood home.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:53

So, but then the western side is more glacially significant. And when people were first trying to set out what the trail was going to be, well, there's a big debate, and people were very passionate that it should be on the east. No, it should be on the west. And at the end of the day, they said, we're not gonna decide, we'll let the hikers decide which way they want to hike. So when you are through hiking the trail, or if you are on that quest to be a thousand miler, it is only required to do one side of the bifurcation.

SPEAKER_02 28:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

So, and at this point, both sides are about even mileage-wise.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

So um this is interesting here. Down okay, it does work. How about that? The this little detour.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Yep. So that goes through Devil's Lake State Park, which is probably Wisconsin's most famous state park. Gets huge visitation every year. It's beautiful, and the trail goes around through the park there. And actually, if you keep scrolling in, you see that the there's a connector route over oh wait, go down south. Yeah, goes down across the river there. There's actually a ferry that runs. It's a free ferry that runs across the river there. So a part of the trail is on a ferry that you stand on and get taken across. Only takes about five minutes.

SPEAKER_01 29:22

So sure.

SPEAKER_00 29:23

Um that's fun thing. And the best part about the ferry in the trail right there is that there's an ice cream place on either side of the lake.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

You gotta have your your establishments there. Yeah, excellent. Take care of the uh visitors.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

All right.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

Well, well, yeah, this map is very cool. I love this.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

Yep, yeah, and you can you can see places to camp, you can put different filters on and see hunting season effects. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

Okay. Just curious. I mean, if you don't know the answer, that's quite all right. But I was just looking at the elevation profile.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

And I'm probably gonna mess something up here. But do you have a sense of what the elevation range is from?

SPEAKER_00 30:07

My gosh, we were just trying to figure this out the other day because let's see, it is in our yeah, the highest point on the trail is Lookout Mountain in Lincoln County. I'm reading this out of our our guide book. It's uh 1920 feet. The lowest point, 580 feet, is along the shore of Lake Michigan.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Very cool.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

So yeah. Excellent. Well, let's go back to the website. Okay, and so we've got the map, we've you've got merch. I was looking at the merch store yesterday. So if I do any segment of the ice age trail, I have to have my merch.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

So there you go. That's right. My my kids make fun of me because wherever I go when I'm hiking, I always wear an Ice Age trail shirt. And I was recently over in Italy with my sisters, and we were hiking the Path of the Gods over in the Mulfi coast. And I have my Ice Age trail shirt on. And you know, the kids saw the pictures of me and they're like, Mom, why do you wear those shirts everywhere? I'm like, Because it's a good thing to talk about. And lo and behold, as we're hiking the Path of the Gods, someone passes by me, kind of does a double take and says, Where are you from? And I said, Oh, Wisconsin. Turns out they were also from Wisconsin. They've hiked the Ice Age Trail. Like, nice.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

Well, you're you are uh you are a brand ambassador as a that's right.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

Wherever I go, yes, plus the chagrin of my teenagers.

SPEAKER_01 31:40

Hey, they'll they'll become adults soon enough, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:43

Yeah, okay. So I think what yeah, so we you could see our our website has a ton of information. We are actually going to be revising the website probably before September, we're gonna launch a new site. A lot of the same information will be there, just laid out a little differently. But we have highlights to all of the the blog articles, whatever is happening on the trail. But if you go up to let's go back to the explore tab, and you can see there's a segment by segment tour, which is pretty cool. It is a story map, and it will take you on a virtual segment. You can you can go through every single segment, see a picture, get a little description. So we think that's pretty nice. We use this one a lot when we're out at events.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

I love this. I would not be at a loss for places to visit if I was in full-time in Wisconsin. This is gorgeous.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

Yeah, and we hear that again and again from people who've lived here all their lives, and also from people from other states who come and they will say, I never knew Wisconsin was this beautiful. The state tends to focus on a few key areas, right? Of for tourism, whenever Sturgeon Bay, Door County, it's beautiful. Devil's Lake, you see Devil's Lake in a lot of pictures of Wisconsin, but there are honestly so many gorgeous places that the trail takes you to that that don't get a lot of. So I love that.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

This is fantastic. I love this.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

Yeah. So you can just you like click through and look and see what every segment is. So it's really cool. And then on this map, too, you can click in the descriptions, like net St. Croix Falls, there's a trail community, and that will take you to oops. Well, that was well, we didn't want to see that. All right, no, I won't we have itineraries for each of our trail communities on our website. So say you want to go to Merrill, Wisconsin. Well, the itinerary gives you a few places that you can stay, some a brewery to check out, just gives you an idea. Doesn't plan your trip, but just plant some seeds for you.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

Okay. So I am curious with the with the conference coming up in August. Uh it is if it's humid now, I imagine it's gonna be even more humid and and a little hotter. Yep. You are gonna hopefully you'll have a booth at the at the conference at the center in Madison. But I there's also a post tour that is being planned for our members. Do you have any an idea what that's what that is gonna be like when it when we get there?

SPEAKER_00 34:36

Yeah, so we're we're pairing up with Destination Madison to offer this post tour, which I think is gonna be really cool and maybe something a little different than what you'd be used to. We're gonna start at the office here, have a little introductory time, and then we're gonna go to one of our showcase segments, which is called Table Bluff. It's about five minutes from the office. We'll we'll drive out there so no one needs to walk out there. And we're gonna take a hike on this segment. It's about three miles, 3.3 miles hike. Really lovely property over the past two, three decades. A ton of work went into restoring the land that the trail runs through. So we'll talk a little bit about that habitat restoration side of our work, putting the scenic and scenic, why we do it, and just talk about trail building a little bit. And then we're going to take you on future trail. So back in December, the Alliance closed on the acquisition of a property that adjoins that with this segment we're gonna do. And so we're gonna go on a little bushwhacking for about a mile, and you so it's a chance to see something no one else really has seen, and you'll get to see where where we think the trail is gonna go. We'll talk about hey, what what goes into building the trail, what the steps are, you know, it takes a while, at least a full year, because you want to see the trail, you know, proposed trail line in all seasons. So see what looks like in the spring, the summer, fall, how does winter melt affect it? But yeah, so we'll walk a proposed trail line, and then we're gonna conclude the tour with uh good old Wisconsin grill out back at the office. So if it is hot, we'll be able to hang out in air conditioning a little bit, or if it's nice, we have picnic tables. We have a really nice setting for our office, which is right on trail.

SPEAKER_01 36:36

So we'll have now. The um do you have a sense right off the top of your head when this will this tour be in the morning? Is it gonna take is that a half a day, full day?

SPEAKER_00 36:48

Yeah, it's gonna, yep, it'll start in the morning, and I think we finish by like 12:30. So we'll it will conclude with lunch. So we'll get some rocks and some cheese curds and all the things.

SPEAKER_01 37:00

Okay, so if I if I end up staying over instead of heading home, I'll just head home, take a late flight back to Las Vegas.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

Okay, yeah, take a late flight. I think that's all when all the flights leave for Vegas, actually, later.

SPEAKER_01 37:13

That that's good to know. Okay, very good.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

Yeah, well, I'm gonna be a fun day. And like I said, I think we just tried to think about something that would be a little different because you can you can go on a hike anytime and and it's great. But you know, to be able to see, hey, this is where we're gonna go. And then if you follow us in a couple of years when we build the trail, maybe you even want to come back and be part of that trail building effort. That would be kind of there.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

You go, there you go. Now, I do see from the website we there is the trail map. We just saw that. You can donate, you got the merch, you've got news and events, more about the alliance. Yeah, you also have the social sites Facebook, Instagram, and I always forget what that one is. TikTok.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

Yeah, yeah, we have a very small TikTok page because TikTok takes a lot of work.

SPEAKER_01 38:01

It does, it does. Well, thank you for taking us on this tour. I I love it. I want to head back to just you and I. So we've we've talked about the conference for our listeners and for our my fellow OWAA members. The conference is in August, uh August 22nd through 24th. The tour with the Ice Age Alliance is going to be on the 25th, which is a Tuesday. So this is an opportunity to stick around, get some exercise.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 38:34

I I may need to bring my hiking poles, I think, but I think uh this is gonna be a lot of fun and great way to explore a little bit of Wisconsin and with the with the Ice Age Trail Alliance. I think that's wonderful. Melissa, before we head out today, I am curious, as you kind of look back at your career and this aha moment that you had earlier of when you first discovered like literally the trails right out your back door. What are some what's a aha moment that like, oh wow, I get to do this work and not only help be a brand ambassador for Wisconsin, but also help make a difference in people's lives through this work that you're doing? What's your aha moment?

SPEAKER_00 39:21

So I think first everybody that's on staff here at the Alliance, we're, I don't know, 22 or three people. I think we're all incredibly grateful for our jobs and like we know what we do is really special. And um, you know, I came from a job where I worked at a telecommunications company, like internet and phone. No one listened to the emails we sent. Like it was it was terrible for communicating. I came here and people open our emails, people come to our events. Anytime we have a request, whether it's to donate or just to support something, our supporters come out and it just it really makes my job easier because I know everything I do. There is definitely a reason and purpose for it. That's not saying my job is easy because and it's not stressful. I thought I'd be coming to a nonprofit and way less stressful, but it's not, but it's stress for good reason. And I think it's it's funny. I go on hikes because again, I'm trying to become that thousand miler. And a lot of people I hike with, who I'm friends with, know where I work and what I do, even though I started hiking before I got this job. So people knew me before I started here, but I still I don't make it known. Like when I hike, sometimes I just want to hike. I don't want to be Alliance Melissa or work Melissa, so I try and keep it under the radar, like what my job is sometimes. And I was on a hike with somebody I just met, and I didn't tell them what I did. And they were telling me about how it's so amazing. They hear about the Ice Age Trail all the time now. And I hear about it on the news and I I see it on the in a magazine or whatever. And I just thought to myself, I'm like, yes, it's working once we start putting concerted effort towards building awareness, you know, our message is getting out there. And so I think that's cool. And then also too, like anytime we go to a volunteer or we host a volunteer event last year, we did an invasive species removal, like an invasive species awareness day with the DNR. So it was kind of a DNR event, but we decided to host an activity on near the trail, and it was so humid and so hot. It was in June of last year. Like I'm talking like 95 degrees plus probably more than 100 by the time you add in the heat index. And so many people came out, and it like it was we had to be in long pants and long shirts because we were going through brush, cut and brush back, everything. And it's terrible work, but people are so happy to do it. And I just I just think it's really amazing. And so I love I love getting out to events and I love meeting the people who are building this trail. And what amazes me is the number of people who come to trail building events who could care less about hiking, they just want to build this trail, and I think that is amazing because you are creating this for me and my friends who are going to come tramp on it for about the rest of our lives. Um, but they just want to be out and they just want to build a trail and help leave a legacy, and I think that's really cool.

SPEAKER_01 42:41

Excellent, excellent. Before we head out, one last feature of our podcast is what I call the insight to go. And in the notes that you had shared as I was preparing the episode, you used a term that it kind of reminds me of my metal shovel, but uh in a way, but obituary builders.

SPEAKER_00 43:00

Yep. So, yeah, so I think I don't know if I came up with this term or if I I don't think I heard it anywhere. I don't know, but anyway, it's like a resume builder, right? For so long, you work in your career and you're trying to get the certifications, get the promotions, build the skills, right? So you can build that resume. And I think instead of being so focused on that, as individuals, we should be focused on building our obituaries, right? Because the last thing I want to read, and it makes me so sad when I read someone's obituary, and I just find out that they worked at all of these places and what their titles were. And I'm like, that's all, that's it. They just worked a bunch of places, and this is where they went to high school. So I always think about in terms of obituary, like, what do I want in my obituary? What kind of fun things will my kids be able to say about me? You know, right? Hopefully they'll be able to say, Hey, our mom was a thousand. And violence. And so I think we just need to think about like, right, all of those things we could do, how we make our life more fulfilling, more exciting, like more interesting, right? What kinds of things do we really want people to know about us? So, yeah. So, an obituary builder, what activity will you do today that could be in your obituary?

SPEAKER_01 44:20

I love it. I love it. Well, Melissa, it's been a pleasure to have you on the podcast. I look forward to meeting you and your peers at the annual conference of the OWAA in August. And I am going to go back and look at my itinerary. I do think I need to do some walking over here first to get. But last time I went bushwhacking was in Alaska, and it's like, oh my God. But uh okay.

SPEAKER_00 44:46

This isn't Alaska bushwhacking, this is Wisconsin bushwhacking.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

Okay, all right. And you know what?

SPEAKER_00 44:51

And if you know you decide you don't want to do the bushwhacking, we can always have a car to take you back. It's fine.

SPEAKER_01 44:58

I I can see now that's I will never live that one down.

SPEAKER_00 45:01

So they take you up to the other side, you can come down.

SPEAKER_01 45:04

There you go. There you go. Well, listen, I really appreciate you taking time to join us on the podcast today. And we're gonna make sure we have the backlinks to the Ice Age Trail website as well as your Facebook pages. You've got a group page and Instagram and TikTok, and yeah, those will be in the show notes. And really, again, for our listeners and for my peers at the OWAA, this sounds like a great event to participate in if you're gonna stay in Madison once the conference ends. So we'll that'll take place on the morning of August 25th. And what a great, great thing to do. So, Melissa, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 45:44

Thanks. Yeah, we'd love to host you guys and take on a tour and show you how great the Ice Age Trail is.

SPEAKER_01 45:49

Sounds like a point.

SPEAKER_00 45:50

And feed you rats, cheesecruds, and rats and cheese curds.

SPEAKER_01 45:54

How can you go around? Perfect. I love it. Listen, stay in the line. We're gonna do a very quick close, and you and I can have a final chat. Okay, okay. All right, folks, you've just been listening to this episode with Melissa Pierre. She is with the Ice Age Trail Alliance. I think we got a wonderful overview of the Ice Age Trail, its significance, and really the opportunities that to showcase really the beauty of what Wisconsin is. And having lived in the Chicago and northern Illinois, it it's more than just Milwaukee. I mean, Milwaukee, God bless them, and some of the other cities, you've got the lake, but as you go into the state, there's just some wonderful exploration you can do, and really the significance of the glaciers and the receding glaciers and how it has helped form really this trail that that is now available. 1,1200 miles of trails that are available to you. Now, for this website, website for this show, you can find us on our website at Outdoor Adventure Series.com. You can find us on our Facebook and LinkedIn pages, Outdoor Adventure Series. The video of this episode will be up on our YouTube channel. And of course, you can listen to this episode perhaps as you're walking along part of the trail. You can find us on wherever you get your podcast from. And really, folks, we do want to thank the great folks at Destination Madison for sponsoring this episode of the Outdoor Adventure Series. Thanks to their support, we can introduce you to guests like Melissa. And to begin planning your Madison getaway or outing, visit the Destination Madison website at visitmadison.com. Until next time, wherever you go, whatever you're doing, go out there and have a fantastic day. And we look forward to having you join us on a future episode of the Outdoor Adventure Series podcast. Take care now.